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Post by The Science Freak on Fri Apr 16, 2010 9:56 pm

Name of Weapon or Item: The Chalice

Location: Channel's grasp, of course. Read his bio for more on this.

Description: The Chalice is Channel's only weapon, which he uses as his only technique. By funnelling chakra into the Chalice, the Chalice creates a bright-green, emerald flame by directly burning the chakra that Channel funnels into it. By definition, this flame is the lowest-common-denominator of chakra, of highest energy release and highest entropy. The unique ability of this flame is to burn other chakras to create more of itself, described in more detail in Channel's jutsu, which is to come. This flame is not only capable of burning chakra, but also the two components that facilitate the spiritual half of its creation.

The flame always burns chakra first, then the spirit which creates the chakra, then the soul which creates the spirit. It is only capable of burning the spiritual element to the chakra, which invariably leaves wasted physical energy.

The Chalice is also capable of absorbing into itself the flames which it creates, which seems to vanish out of usable area, as if whisked away to another realm unassociated with the real world.

In addition, non-Roscin ninja have difficulty using the Chalice, as it naturally draws chakra out of the user at an enormous rate: a normal person directly touching it or even picking it up through a glove would lose a massive amount of chakra in a matter of seconds. It is only the Roscin's natural ability to control chakra flow that stops this, and is why the Chalice 'picked' Channel to wield it.

Owner: Channel

Rank: C-S

History: The Chalice is of shrouded origin, mysteriously appearing in a spirutal haze outside of Kumo, as described in Channel's bio. Before that occurrence, the Chalice was simply a typical conduit of the flame: it is literally the 'scroll' which allows the summonning or production of the emerald flame, the only one in existance within this plane.

Appearance: Its a crystal chalice in appearance. Very plain, unornamented, the stem just long enough to be grasped around the palm of the hand. It looks more in shape to a wine-goblet than a real chalice.


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Re: Channel's Only Weapon

Post by lifeanddeath on Mon Apr 19, 2010 5:31 pm

This flame is not only capable of burning chakra, but also the two components that make it up: the spirit, and the soul.

First off, Chakra is made from mental and physical energy.

Second, Denied on terms that it is OP, given that it is stronger than Amaterasu, the highest level fire tech in Naruto. And it is an auto kill given that it burns both chaka and the phyiscal and spiritual energy behind it, which would burn every cell of the target's body.

It's rediculously OP for even an S rank item let alone the given C starting rank.

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Post by The Science Freak on Mon Apr 19, 2010 9:39 pm

That renders the assumption that it is impossible to extinguish the flames. Why not just cut the flow of chakra to where its affected?

It also can't burn anything physical. No cell would be burned by this temperature-less flame.


What suggestions do you have to weaken this?
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Post by lifeanddeath on Mon Apr 19, 2010 10:29 pm

Spiritual energy isn't a physical object so how does it exactly burn it?

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Re: Channel's Only Weapon

Post by Legion on Tue Apr 20, 2010 1:45 am

I have a suggestion >.> It involve a sledgehammer and an atom smasher.

There's no way to weaken this as all it does is spit out a horrendously overpowered flame that only you can control

I feel kinda bad considering your entire character is based on this isn't it? And it's not approve-able unless you degrade the hell out of it to the point that you need other things to survive. If this is all you're going to have to work with I'm going to have to lower your character's rank because you kinda have nothing but your hands at this point.

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Post by The Science Freak on Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:32 am

@LAD:

It burns it because its not a physical fire.

@ Legion:

If I defined rates, would that make it better?
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Post by lifeanddeath on Tue Apr 20, 2010 12:51 pm

Burning energy, that of physical origin, ie the cells. That is one of the components of Chakra, and you have stated that:

This flame is not only capable of burning chakra, but also the two components that make it up: the spirit, and the soul.

Since that has not been edited to the definition of chakra via leafninja.com, that still will not allow approval in the first place.

Now, by burning the two components of chakra, one is, like stated above, physical energy, gathered by the cells and released. This can be taken as ATP, which is produced in the cells by mitochandria and other sources, mito being the main source.

By burning that energy, since we are assuming that they are one and the same for sake of ease of explaining, and there is no knowledge stating otherwise, you would be destroying ATP, which is what causes our cells to function. By destroying that, you kill the cells, which is a physical object and thus contradict your statement on not harming physical matter.



Secondly, you have nothing stating the amount of chakra durned off, and even if you include rates, that implies that it all will be burned off anyways. Due to your description:

The unique ability of this flame is to burn other chakras to create more of itself, described in more detail in Channel's jutsu, which is to come.

This implies that the flames are only able to be put out by you, so onc an opponent is hit, they are dead. Since the flames consume chakra, and create more flames, they would eventully consume all the chakra in the opponent, leaving them nothing to live by, and still killing them with one hit.



Thirdly:

By definition, this flame is the lowest-common-denominator of chakra, of highest energy release and highest entropy.

As a basic definition of Entropy: A measure of the disorder or randomness in a closed system.

You are saying that you can take the highest measure of entropy, or disorder in a closed system, and manipulate it to your own will. Coupled with being able to control the highest energy release possible for that reaction.

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Re: Channel's Only Weapon

Post by The Science Freak on Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:29 pm

Bump.

We've been over this. Chakra is a facet created by the soul.

If it wasn't, why would Sasuke's chakra be evil, and why would Naruto's be 'warm'?
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Post by Caranore on Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:46 pm

Chakra is not a facet created by the soul. Go to leafninja. Read the Chakra guide. tell me wehre ANYWHERE in there it says chakra is created by the soul.

A soul is not evil, a soul is not warm. The persons attitude, their mentality (NOTE: CHAKRA IS HALF OF MENTAL EXPERIENCES) is evil or warm. You cannot say a soul is evil when it just is. If we wanna get technical, there isnt even physical proof of a soul, or that we actually have one, just speculations, so that point is nullified. Im not talking in the manga, where they show the soul being ripped out. If we go off that, then the soul is 'evil' because it reflects the user in life. That still does not change the fact that chakra is not created from the soul.

I am going off of Leafninja. Which is used for the references for this site. I wont argue about this anymore, as there is no given prof.

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Re: Channel's Only Weapon

Post by The Science Freak on Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:50 pm

Its also said that you die if you lose all of your chakra. Why don't we go for that instead of this soul argument?
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Post by Caranore on Fri Apr 23, 2010 4:56 pm

Yes, if you die youre chakra is lost, supposedly. However that fact was contradicted by Sasori utilizing the tThird kazekage's jutsu. I dont remember if he stated he was utilizing his own chakra or the kazekage's chakra for that, so that point may be invalid.

Regardless, that subject doesnt apply here. As it stands, your definition is wrong, and the whole weapon overall is overpowering, given that someone with your bloodline/clan can use the ability at C-Rank and still kill anyone off, so long as they attack a chakra based attack. based on that, any jutsu or chakra enhanced close range jutsu, which is bascially every attack on the site for the most part, is worthless.

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Re: Channel's Only Weapon

Post by The Science Freak on Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:00 pm

There is one member of my clan and I'm trying to make a main antagonist. It would be useless if it played into the hands of everyone and required little thought to defeat.
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Post by Caranore on Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:21 pm

A main antagonist does not need to be overly powerful, nor have overpowerful techniques/items. Which is what you are trying to do. A main antagonist, on a roleplay site, needs to be able to manipulate the Roleplaying, and be a good RPer. setting the plots and scenarios, not just going around and killing everyone.

As it stands, the way your clan and character, along with your item is based, pretty much noone can touch you. One jutsuthat is related to the chalice and someone is dead, just by you attacking their own jutsu due to the chakra burning nature you are trying to get approved.

That is not a main antagonist, that is more of a god, which is pretty much banned on most RP sites if you hadnt noticed.

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Post by The Science Freak on Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:34 pm

Just because you can't see the ways to beat this makes it god?

How should it be revised, then?
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Post by Caranore on Fri Apr 23, 2010 5:44 pm

How can it be ebat. Explain this to me. You have an item, that allows one jutsu. The jutsu itself, according to your current description burns chakra, and destroys the components that make them up. The chakra fire used continues to burn chakra and multiply, which will eventually, if not immediately, kill the opponent.

Since chakra is used in nearly every single attack on this site, either to enhance taijutsu, weaponry techniques, or used as Ninjutsu/Genjutsu/medical/Summons/Fuuinjutsu, that technique allows you to pretty much one hit kill any opponent the instant chakra is used. Let alone Replacement or Shunshin jutsus, even basic water walking or tree climbing. The very second chakra is used, you can kill the person.

That is EXACTLY what you are describing in this item application. Due to this, it is overpowered. there are no drawbacks to the item. it draws out chakra from the user. However you can stop your chakra flow, therefore there is no drawback to utilizing this item.

Based on this, you can also 1 hit kill Bijuu, any bijuu due to most of their attacks are based on chakra. You can also counteract every single clan jutsu, due to it using chakra. Hyuuga and Aburame's chakra draining effects dont bother you because you can stop your flow of chakra.

To be honest, Im shocked at the sheer audacity of you and trying to get this item approved, as it has been stated to be overpowering not only by me, but LAD, and Byakko. That is 2 moderators (one who you said should be admin) and one administrator.

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Re: Channel's Only Weapon

Post by Legion on Fri Apr 23, 2010 7:30 pm

Yeah I'm dubbing this fully denied and unless you can come up with some way of making it .......well not there is no way to make it not OP without busting it into pieces either way it's no longer up for debate because it's horrendously overpowered

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